tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post3442730413971137094..comments2017-07-20T18:58:50.059+10:00Comments on Wizards of Oz: Climbing Uluru (Ayers Rock)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-47121827944872215452010-07-26T16:28:46.227+10:002010-07-26T16:28:46.227+10:00I'm least surprised by the news of the ban, wh...I'm least surprised by the news of the ban, what else wud one expect when ppl climb and start to strip on it!<br /><br />Mimi<br /><a href="http://www.isango.com/australia-tours/ayers-rockuluru-tours_r6185" rel="nofollow">Uluru tours</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05790081667001440610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-81922985965565982432009-07-20T22:00:26.706+10:002009-07-20T22:00:26.706+10:00Fundamentally I’m really not sure that I can suppo...Fundamentally I’m really not sure that I can support the concept of any natural rights including the right to life or the right to liberty. However, that does not mean that I don’t believe in the value of life, liberty (and I would add equality). So to answer your point on slavery – I think it’s abhorrent but I would argue against it from a different moral framework. <br /><br />I tend to lean Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05750459165080029262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-41634876445350695352009-07-20T22:00:03.312+10:002009-07-20T22:00:03.312+10:00In terms of facts speaking for themselves, we prob...In terms of facts speaking for themselves, we probably need to separate the legal issues from the moral ones when it comes to property rights in this particular example. Legal ownership of Uluru was returned to the traditional indigenous owners in the 1980s but only on condition that it was leased back to the National Park authority for 99 years and that it be ‘jointly managed’. So this whole Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05750459165080029262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-46470185736503235822009-07-20T02:21:17.225+10:002009-07-20T02:21:17.225+10:00Ctd from previous.
Although you cite the right to...Ctd from previous.<br /><br />Although you cite the right to religious freedom in the UDHR you seem to imply this provides a basis for not climbing on Uluru (I'm inferring this from you stating it's really this which underwrites our reluctance to climb over Churches). Setting to one side any skepticism over the moral worth of the UDHR, I remain unconvinced. I believe in a secular society Paul Huttonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-50854566742128336882009-07-20T02:20:33.532+10:002009-07-20T02:20:33.532+10:00Thanks for responding!
We'll have to agree to...Thanks for responding!<br /><br />We'll have to agree to disagree on the reasons for not climbing on Churches. Suffice to say, my argument merely shows that someone who climbs on Uluru does not necessarily commit him or herself to saying it is ok to then climb on Churches etc. They may reasonably refuse to do so because they respect property rather than religion.<br /><br />Regarding propertyPaul Huttonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-68646716571151962492009-07-14T17:18:54.007+10:002009-07-14T17:18:54.007+10:00I thought this might spark a debate – apologies in...I thought this might spark a debate – apologies in return for the long response!!<br /><br />If you don’t mind me saying, I think you’ve taken a very selective approach to using the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a justification for your arguments. To say that respecting religion “does not seem justified” as a reason to support banning climbing, but that respecting property rights does,Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05750459165080029262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-10283366301885941512009-07-14T05:30:38.220+10:002009-07-14T05:30:38.220+10:00The reason I'm inclined to side against a ban ...The reason I'm inclined to side against a ban is the same reason I'm outraged by this newly passed blasphemy law in Ireland. <br /><br />http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2009/07/blasphemy-law-passed-in-ireland.html<br /><br />Perhaps the whole debate over climbing on Uluru (Ayers Rock) is misplaced. If the rationale for banning climbing is respecting religion then I'm probably against Paul Huttonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-898555053816650517.post-61420867604633451072009-07-10T03:38:18.829+10:002009-07-10T03:38:18.829+10:00Great post, I can comment on your blog!Great post, I can comment on your blog!impossible songshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06220130689715302729noreply@blogger.com